of you guys, i'm not sure howl you guys are here, but you can roll that. >> yeah t was probably, i mean i was probably 9, charlie is probably 8 there. >> stephen: now as teenagers, you are 8 and 9 am as teenagers at any point do you throw up your hands and go there is stupid, i'm to the going to do this any more. or is the dedication stay all the way through. >> i think grew. you know, we really had no idea what we were getting into. but we loved the sport. you know, right off the bat we loved doing well. >> stephen: do you people enjoy sucking, charlie? really, we really sucked out there! that was fantastic. so at any point when you didn't do it, did you ever-- did you constantly all 17 years. >> there was a point where i broke my ankle and we had to miss an important season at the level below where we are at now. >> stephen: how did you break it. >> i was playing hockey. >> stephen: oh, okay so, are you a hockey player as well. >> yeah so, i also grew up playing hockey.